ACS:Law

[cashins]

My LOD was delivered today, but according to the royal mail website, was redirected, but doesn't say where to?

It would seem that they are not keen on several thousand people banging on their door.

David

[mr.ton]

CAG needs to make sure that thousands do bang on their door

[mr.ton]

With the greatest respect to everyone on this thread....instead of posting/debating the in's & out's of all this and constantly saying things like "i got my my letter this morning" - can we all just join forces & start fighting back once and for all?
This needs to be faught from the very top with every authority we can think of involved.

[T2upNorth]

Originally Posted by the_shadow

In windows Open up a dos window and type in IPCONFIG

S.

Not quite true - depending on your setup that may only give you the local IP - ie. the IP assigned by your router (if you have one).

Try What's My IP Address? Your IP is

[coppullcaveman1]

A variable ip address is still your ip address no matter what. Your ISP will have records of all your ip addresses and times, dates and details of the traffic passing through their servers P2P is getting more and more risky, what has killed it is not just downloading for own pleasure but greedy people and criminal gangs doing DVD`S etc.... we have all seen them on the car boot sales. The can also identify the pc the downloads went to via the download path which your pc will tell your ISP`S server ie ians documents/video usually along with your pc `s name or number. You can get away with it on Mobile broadband by the way.... you dont even have to register with O2 just pick up a prepay card and use that, who would care what name was on it , the only ident O2 would have is the triangulation system that tells them where a mobile device is at any one time (if its on and connected to the network) That is my understanding anyway and I am bound to be corrected.

[andydd]

Originally Posted by coppullcaveman1

A variable ip address is still your ip address no matter what. Your ISP will have records of all your ip addresses and times, dates and details of the traffic passing through their servers P2P is getting more and more risky, what has killed it is not just downloading for own pleasure but greedy people and criminal gangs doing DVD`S etc.... we have all seen them on the car boot sales. The can also identify the pc the downloads went to via the download path which your pc will tell your ISP`S server ie ians documents/video usually along with your pc `s name or number. You can get away with it on Mobile broadband by the way.... you dont even have to register with O2 just pick up a prepay card and use that, who would care what name was on it , the only ident O2 would have is the triangulation system that tells them where a mobile device is at any one time (if its on and connected to the network) That is my understanding anyway and I am bound to be corrected.

Very true....A point I made though is how do we know that the data the ISP has is correct ?. I wonder why they actually keep this data, are they under a legal obligation ?

On another point I was using my lappy in a weatherspoon pub the other day on their free wifi and it amused me to think..what would happen if ACS wrote to them ?...Which of the many thousands of drinkers would be hauled to court !...ha..

Andy

[the_shadow]

Originally Posted by T2upNorth

Not quite true - depending on your setup that may only give you the local IP - ie. the IP assigned by your router (if you have one).

Try What's My IP Address? Your IP is

Yep your right, thinking about it thats only going to give you the local IP from your routers DHCP table. Far better to logon to the router config and see what the IP address the ISP has given you or to use remote software to see it as you've given above.

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S.

[T2upNorth]

Originally Posted by the_shadow

Yep your right, thinking about it thats only going to give you the local IP from your routers DHCP table. Far better to logon to the router config and see what the IP address the ISP has given you or to use remote software to see it as you've given above.

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S.

Thank you very much, the_shadow!

On the question of anonymous IP, as been previously mentioned, SIM based PAYG is pretty good. The only downside is it is far slower than copper or cable and is capped. It is getting faster all the time though.

I seem to remember, many years ago, there was an attempt to make it a requirement to provide ID when purchasing a PAYG mobile. I wonder if our lords and masters will try the same thing with mobile broadband....

[reticulating_splines]

Originally Posted by the_shadow

Then the extra's like deleting the hidden internet explorer history files that record every site you visit

S.

Howdy, can you tell me how to do this?

[T2upNorth]

Originally Posted by reticulating_splines

Howdy, can you tell me how to do this?

That would work for prying eyes, but if any enforcement agency were to get hold of the disk that wouldn't be enough. "Deleting" files merely marks the space they occupy as free, the data remains and can easily be recovered (unless it is heavily and completely overwritten). It is possible to zero fill the space, but that is not necessarily for novices.

Another point to bare in mind - if you use Googles personalised service, iGoogle (and others) your web history may also be stored on their servers....

[the_shadow]

Originally Posted by T2upNorth

That would work for prying eyes, but if any enforcement agency were to get hold of the disk that wouldn't be enough. "Deleting" files merely marks the space they occupy as free, the data remains and can easily be recovered (unless it is heavily and completely overwritten). It is possible to zero fill the space, but that is not necessarily for novices.

Correct, there are a few utilities out there that will Zero fill the index.dat files securely to DoD level prior to delete.

S.

[patrickq1]

if it has not been downloaded offer for an independant deep packet inspection to be paid for by ACS,if and when it comes back as clear sue for defamation i am in the proccess through which to begin a action against DAVENPORTS ,nothing has been downloaded from this computor so i got no worries
on the other hand Davenports have a lot to worry about i just cant wait for a case to be brought against me in fact i have demanded they begin action imediately
patrickq1

[cerberusalert]

Originally Posted by patrickq1

if it has not been downloaded offer for an independant deep packet inspection to be paid for by ACS,if and when it comes back as clear sue for defamation i am in the proccess through which to begin a action against DAVENPORTS ,nothing has been downloaded from this computor so i got no worries
on the other hand Davenports have a lot to worry about i just cant wait for a case to be brought against me in fact i have demanded they begin action imediately
patrickq1

Any forensic analysis of the H/D would be pointless, it could easily be replaced after the alleged download event.

[T2upNorth]

Originally Posted by patrickq1

if it has not been downloaded offer for an independant deep packet inspection to be paid for by ACS,if and when it comes back as clear sue for defamation i am in the proccess through which to begin a action against DAVENPORTS ,nothing has been downloaded from this computor so i got no worries
on the other hand Davenports have a lot to worry about i just cant wait for a case to be brought against me in fact i have demanded they begin action imediately
patrickq1

Interesting - I certainly think they are just looking to make a quick buck off those who panic and pay up without seeking proper advice.

The problem they will always have is proving the offense. I can quite clearly prove that my PC was not used on a given date. I can do this because, like a lot of people, I have several PC's, laptops, iPhone etc. which all connect using the same external IP. So unless they also capture the MAC address, who's to say which PC needs to be tested? I say it is the one sat in the corner of the box room that hasn't been used for over a year..... And, even if they captured the MAC address whats to stop me spoofing it or changing the NIC?

Also, (no I am not a cybercriminal and I haven't had one of the letters), One of my PC's has 4 different hard drives, each separately bootable with it's own OS and is quite capable of running with any 3 of those removed. In fact, it could run quite happily booting off a Ubuntu live CD with no hard drive, using a USB memory stick as a storage medium.

[T2upNorth]

Originally Posted by cerberusalert

Any forensic analysis of the H/D would be pointless, it could easily be replaced after the alleged download event.

Exactly! Their case is based on untested, unreliable and unprovable methods. They know this, but they also know that it's easy to scare people into caving in, especially if you bamboozle them with technical jargon....

[T2upNorth]

Of course, the danger if it ever went to court is that they were to turn up with a "expert witness" who claimed it was proof positive and the defendant was not technically clued up or represented... I'm sure not many judges know anything about the concepts.....

[cerberusalert]

The crux of their allegations is that a particular ISP address has been used at a particular time, they have no evidence as to what computer was used, or if indeed that the registered user was actually implicated or if they had an 'open' network or if it had been hacked into (there is enough open software allowing someone to do that). They can't even get the file size right, they've accused some people stating that the file was over 100MBs & others that the size was 40 odd MBs. If they can't get that fact right what chance with any of their evidence? Particularly as similar claims using the technology they are depending on was thrown out of the courts in Italy & Germany as unproven & their forensic experts thought of as quacks.

[mr.ton]

Their game is up anyway.
Its quite funny though, all the effort they must have gone through to put this scam together..only for sites like this to ruin it for them

[patrickq1]

if you replaced it the dates would nt match up my hard drive has not been replaced it is the origional...it would be noticable if it had been...so i have absolutely no problems with times and dates ....but it will cost them dearly for a solicitor to act in the manner they did goes against their own ethics i would say so as for reputations this would damage them pretty badly .....

[mr.ton]

"If it wasnt for those pesky consumer websites, we'd have gotten away with it"